Guillermo Alonso's Questions for ICON Magazine "Diario El País"
Illustration of men sharing a conversation in a sauna in 1917.GEORGE WESLEY BELLOWS (COLORIZED BY BLANCA LÓPEZ)[/caption>
Could you describe an event for me? I mean, in a practical sense, an environmental description. What is the venue like? Is there music playing? How are the lights? Dim, normal, with natural street light...? (I remember you invited me to check it out for myself and I appreciate it, but for now, being such a special event, I'm considering it and that's why I prefer to ask you first)
We are a private group, an association that offers adult men who consider the opportunity to masturbate with other like-minded men. The Headquarters of "pajas entre colegas, club de pajas Madrid" is an old bar, a venue of about 100 square meters, with a capacity of 70 people, the walls are decorated with graffiti, it has two bathrooms, a cabin and sinks, a bar/waiting area, some racks to leave our clothes, safety lockers for valuables, money, wallet, phone, etc., several play areas with large armchairs, two large screens showing solo porn with guys masturbating, Music plays subtly in the room, soft jazz, and the lights are dim and indirect. There is no natural light, we have the windows covered and soundproofed like the entire venue. A central table with different lubricants, several tables with wet wipes, and tissues... The venue opens to members 1 hour before the event, as they arrive, we invite them to wash their hands and use mouthwash, we also offer them a refreshment, while they wait and during the 3-hour event, when they undress they are offered a clean towel to cover their waist until the moment of Towels Down!!! And Guillermo, the invitation still stands for you to experience it yourself. I'll be waiting for you at the next event.
Another practical question: once a club member ejaculates, do they leave afterward? Do they stay to masturbate again if they feel like it?
Generally, when a club member ejaculates, they usually don't leave, they stay to repeat, as many times as they want or "can," the events last 3 hours. Between orgasms, there is always conversation, without shame, without bad vibes, we talk as if we had known each other for a long time and with some, we exchange phone numbers.
Is there an agreement for the group to finish at the same time?
Well, it depends on the groups, "Circle jerks" it's difficult for a pair to reach orgasm, let alone so many at the same time, I would say it's impossible... but everything is possible if you set your mind to it.
Do members stay chatting afterward or is there any embarrassment after finishing?
After having shared your penis, having masturbated with another man, there is no shame at all, on the contrary, besides camaraderie and tranquility, many men find it more exciting to share their experience with other men, male masturbation has special virtues that sex with a partner cannot match.
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Now something more personal about you. What led you to form this club? When and why did you decide?
This is embarrassing for me to talk about myself. Haha. I am a man who enjoys masturbating with other men. Out of this love for JO, I started the group in June 2015. With a friend, we created Masturbation Techniques blog, we started talking about both male and female masturbation, the latter with hardly any visits, so we focused on the male, we talked about group masturbation, which we already practiced, and as the visits increased, we created a club to do what we had done so many times with friends from the yard and high school. We did it in a homemade way, having to leave out many men due to lack of space, which has led us to rent a venue and make the club a bit larger nowadays in 2022. I contacted Paul Rosenberg who is the founder and manager of the Jacks, with over 35 years of existence and success, to explain to me in more detail how to create a club like his. When you research the topic, you realize that groups of masturbators have existed for a long time and did not suddenly emerge, as is commonly believed, after the AIDS crisis made safer sex a necessity. Men have been gathering to masturbate in groups, large and small, long before written history began.
Someone might maliciously think: "maybe he did it to see other naked men." But I know that there are a thousand apps to find sex, or saunas, or cruising spots for that. What would you say to those who might think that?
Everyone is free to think what they want, but as you rightly say, there are other ways to see naked men, especially now with the arrival of Onlyfans. I don't use any social networks, I don't know what a sauna is, and I don't know what a cruising bar is either. For many men of our ages, they will surely have very pleasant memories, when they jerked off with their buddies, those who know what I'm talking about, and to the younger ones who haven't experienced it, they don't know what they've missed. No one is going to take away their manhood.
Another question along the same lines: given that there are many apps through which anyone can find someone to have an intimate encounter, including mutual masturbation, why do PeC members pay for the same thing? What is added in what the club offers?
In many apps and chats, you contact someone and tell them you want to meet but only want to mutually masturbate, and they don't even respond, all they seek or offer is the cultural tyranny of anal sex or blowjobs. Our club offers something special, male masturbation, which has many virtues and especially that partner sex cannot match. Although partner sex is an incredible and fabulous human experience, it is often prone to some limitations due to specific details of each person's personal history, conditioning, and genetic heritage. There is no need to let these drawbacks hinder the pure joy of masturbation. PeC members pay to have a spacious venue where they are comfortable, where everyone can fit in and no one has to be left out and wanting, so they can share with attendees discretion and experimentation. Group masturbation is a new form of "male connection." And there are others who consider group masturbation as a fun and interactive way to "get off" without cheating on their romantic partner. Although there is no romantic attraction, they can touch each other's penis, share pleasure with others. From brother to brother. All the members you talk to affirm that it is a homoerotic act, not necessarily homosexual although in these events there are kisses, caresses, hugs, words of affection, and laughter.
I remember that when I was a teenager, before Pornhub and when porn was not so accessible, there were cases in high school or university residences of groups of boys masturbating together, perhaps because they had a porn movie (not so easy then) or an erotic magazine. Do you think that the availability of pornography now has alienated the act of masturbating and today such gatherings are unthinkable?
Before finding porn was very difficult, you found a magazine or a video cassette of your references, which was so special that you couldn't help but share it with your friends from the yard, school, or high school, that friendship that was created was truly a brotherhood, you innocently said why don't you come to my house, I have something to show you... before you learned about sex with friends, now they learn it alone through the internet. They have so much information that overwhelms them, and at a very young age, they are already jaded. Masturbating doesn't have to be a solitary practice. It's the same movement but you're not alone. I believe that although pornography is available to anyone ,in every city, town, neighborhood, or corner of the world, there is always a masturbatory gathering of 2 or more men.
'The Marine Bath House,' a painting from 1907 that still, a century later, reflects the technology-free and socially imperative-free existence that exists in saunas. FINE ART IMAGES/HERITAGE IMAGES/GETTY IMAGES[/caption>You mention in the website's FAQs (I tried not to repeat them here) that a third of PeC members are bisexual or heterosexual. How do you keep track of this? Is this information requested upon joining the club?
No, we don't ask members to tell us their sexual orientation, apart from the requirement of being an adult man (over 18 years old), we do not discriminate against anyone for any subjective trait. We do not evaluate potential members based on age, race, ethnic origin, body type, fitness level, sexual orientation, or "perceived" sexual orientation. We only ask that they comply with the code of conduct. We derive that percentage from what our members tell us, both in this club and in others around the world. *An anecdote, at the last event, Miguel, a 40-year-old man, exclaimed !!!! uuuyuuyuyuuy.... how hot it is!!!, after the laughter from the rest, he confessed that it was the first time he felt another man's thing in his hand. At the same event, a couple attending an event of this kind said that they were pleasantly surprised that it had nothing to do with saunas or cruising bars, that they had really felt like they were in a group of buddies, that they had perceived the phallic brotherhood that I had told them about before starting.
Lastly, and as you can imagine, the presence of heterosexual men in the club is perhaps what may be most striking to the reader and to those curious about this type of organization. What do they seek in the club? What do they do in it? Has any of them personally explained to you what attracted them to your organization and how they found it?
Guillermo, I don't have to imagine it, I live it, the presence of heterosexual men is a fact, I am one myself, many men who come to our events are married or have a girlfriend, they are happy with their partners, they simply enjoy the experience of enjoying two dicks among guys without labels or attachments. Almost all handjob clubs worldwide follow the same rules, we are very strict with them, especially with this one: No lips below the hips and nothing goes inside anyone. Our volunteers are very important at all meetings, they help us all comply with the rules, especially when there are more than a few of us. In my opinion, what they seek is what I call "phallic brotherhood." This is nothing new, it is perennial and universal, just like male masturbation. One of the most obvious virtues is that masturbation depends entirely on you in terms of when you enjoy the pure pleasure of the penis, how much, and the quality of the sensations. Your relationship with your penis is entirely up to you! It is a private personal treasure and yet it can also connect you directly with all the other men who also adore their own penis and enjoy sharing this kind of Brotherhood with our peers, they don't seek to vent, they seek to enjoy, they seek to share those feelings with other men! In the club, you masturbate, essentially you are having sex with yourself. In a group, you are having sex with yourself with other people who are doing the same. When you take a look, it is the ideal open relationship alternative for many people with clear intimacy boundaries. Although most men who engage in these activities often seek more, like oral fellatio and kissing, drawing a line is simple with mutual masturbation. You can truly enjoy any sexual act when you know your own preferences and limits. Otherwise, you will have quite bitter moments between the sheets. They are attracted to a new way of connecting. It wasn't really about romance or love, but rather a way to hang out, with a taste of intimacy and horny glow. After masturbating, these people started talking about regular random topics, often have a soda or a beer, nothing special. However, some of them claim to have cultivated a deeper friendship among them thanks to the sexual tension that arose during these "group sessions" and the fact that, technically, they didn't end up in bed.
Could I add three last-minute questions, in case you could answer them quickly this morning? In case you don't see the email, I'll send you a message later, but I'll try here first so as not to bother you on the phone.
Could you tell me your age? And last name? For giving you a name beyond Nacho, if you want, it could simply be an initial, like "Nacho G."
Nacho G..., but I prefer you to put Nacho G. And I'm 43 years old
In which area of Madrid is the club located?
The headquarters, the club, is in the southern area of Madrid, in Alcorcón, a very discreet and unpretentious venue, which is what I have been looking for from the beginning
How many members are currently in the club?
Considering that we have just been established as an association, and the first event was on March 25, right now the club has 9 annual subscription members and 10 monthly subscription members. To be members, they must fully respect our code of conduct, if not, they will be expelled, it is a sine qua non condition.
And finally, a more personal question that, of course, you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but I ask it because I believe it adds a human value to the story. You mentioned that you are a heterosexual man who enjoys masturbating in a group with other men. Has this always been compatible with a life outside the club? Are these two realities something you can naturally reconcile? Something you have been able to share with your current or past partners?
Even though I don't like talking about myself, I'll gladly answer you.For some readers, the idea of men masturbating in groups may seem homosexual or a strange sexual fetish, they are afraid it will be seen and considered as perverted. Most people see masturbation as failed sex, as lonely "trolls." Group masturbation has nothing to do with sex, we are just guys having fun, and that's how my partner sees it, as buddies sharing leisure time. After all, we all masturbate, the same movement, but accompanied, a way to connect with like-minded people.
By the way, I also spoke with Paul Rosenberg, what a coincidence, I had written to him before you told me you had contacted him. A wonderful man who has told me very interesting things as well
Paul is an amazing guy, just like you, Guillermo!!!